This post is an effort to address some of the rhetoric that is focused on psychiatrists by other psychiatrists. It can be traced back to some of the replies posted here on this blog. But the real impetus today is a thread on Twitter. Twitter is an interesting format for studying dynamics during discussions. It has significant limitations but some of the highlights are interesting. The thread of interest started out as an exchange between myself and another clinical psychiatrist on the issue of the intensive treatment of patients with psychotic disorders specifically early intervention. My responses noted below.
What followed was a fairly rapid deterioration in this exchange. There were the usual comments about how diagnoses are really “labels” and wouldn’t it be nice if we had a different name for the label. From there things progressed to talk about stigma and how it was a significant problem that we need to address. There was also the question about the “dark past” of psychiatry and how there needs to be some kind of atonement for that. I made the basic point that I don’t come from a dark past of psychiatry and there are more positive ways to proceed. From there, one of the posters who was a psychiatrist put up references to what he meant about a “dark past”. His references were both highly problematic. For example, in the first reference he discusses drapetomania as one of the dark chapters in psychiatry without realizing that the term has nothing to do with psychiatrists. The term is straight out of the anti-psychiatry playbook. In a second reference (1) there is a chapter from the Schizophrenia Bulletin on the political abuses of psychiatry. There are no references to the political abuses psychiatry in the United States. I might be concerned if I was practicing psychiatry in Russia or China. It seems that if more countries had the patient safety and civil rights safeguards in place like the United States has - the political abuse of psychiatry would be far less likely. The arguments about atoning for the “dark past” on the basis of the provided references appear to not apply to my statement about not needing to atone for anything.In my experience two groups are overlooked that result in chronicity:— George Dawson (@dawso007) July 26, 2019
-post partum psychosis
-bipolar disorder with psychosis
Have seen both groups poorly stabilized and rediagnosed as schizoaffective and then schizophrenia.
Both need very intense effort at first diagnosis.
As a person who understands rhetoric and who knows psychiatry, there are plenty of historical problems that can be characterized as problematic. That is true of any medical specialty. What is difficult to understand is why a person who is practicing psychiatry is criticizing the field using anti-psychiatry rhetoric. I criticize the drapetomania reference in this post that was written by a psychiatrist defining the field of critical psychiatry (par 10). I will attempt to summarize the arguments and illustrate my approach.
1. Everyone is biased including psychiatrists-
My position has always been that psychiatrists receive more extensive training in recognizing and eliminating bias than anyone. That is not a popular position to take in today’s political climate where the fastest way to win an argument is to suggest than someone has an unconscious bias that only you can recognize. The overwhelming evidence that what I am saying is true is basically the training of current and previous generations of psychiatrists. Psychiatrists learn how to talk to people from all backgrounds and cultures. They learn how to communicate with people who have difficulty communicating with other doctors or even their family members. They are trained in aspects of the interpersonal relationship that allow them to analyze that relationship both diagnostically and from a therapeutic standpoint. Beyond that it should be very clear that this communication process happens every day and multiple times a day. Psychiatrists are consulted for difficult analyze problems and they make medical diagnoses - in addition to psychiatric diagnoses - based on these communication techniques. This is the the work of psychiatry and everybody I know in the field is there because they know it and they are interested in it.
2. Psychiatrists are biased against patients with particular diagnoses-
One of the concerns that came up was that there are certain diagnoses specifically personality disorders that psychiatrists would prefer not to treat. In clinical practice no matter what your specialty, one of the professional goals is to find a certain niche. I preferred to treat patients who were very ill and many of them had significant personality disorders. There are different approaches to personality disorders and treatment can occur without using that diagnosis as long as there is a specific problem list. The other factor is the number of resources necessary to provide treatment. It is common these days for people to be referred for dialectical behavior therapy (DBT) whether they have the requisite diagnosis or not. That explanation will not suffice for people who believe that personality disorder diagnoses are inappropriate labels that should be eliminated and that they have a problem that has no specific treatment. The reality is that current treatments work and that is what psychiatrists are focused on.
I have had other physicians tell me that they wanted to go into psychiatry, but they experienced intense emotional reactions when talking with people who had certain diagnoses. That could be a specific personality disorder diagnosis or extreme affects associated with other conditions. It highlights the fact that psychiatrists want to be able to communicate with people that others avoid and they are successful at doing so.
3. Psychiatrists should listen to people who are critical or in some cases abusive because there needs to be an “atonement” with the past-
I got a reaction from some people because of my matter-of-fact statement that there is nothing for me to atone for. Interestingly, most of the psychiatrists holding this opinion are all from the United Kingdom. Irrelevant rhetoric aside, additional analysis might be useful. The first has to do with the way the criticism is presented. In a public forum it is common for people to attack psychiatrists and suggest that they are “arrogant” because they refuse to listen to a long list of complaints. At one point, a reference was made to problematic treatment in some institution. The poster referred to the fact that a patient had died from a bowel obstruction and alluded to gross mistreatment. The problem with that type of argument is - were psychiatrists involved? What were the specifics? Where are the authorities?
Whenever people have anonymously complained about psychiatrists and mistreatment I typically ask them why they have not filed a complaint with regulatory authorities. At least I used to do that until I realized they really don’t want an answer or solution. They just want to make psychiatrists look bad. I realize that I was dealing with a lot of people from the UK, but let me discuss how things go in the United States. There are federal and state regulations on the practice of medicine. The ultimate authority and whether a physician is disciplined up to and including loss of license is the state medical board. In the state where I practice, any complaint is thoroughly investigated. That means the complaint does not have to be accurate or even coherent. If any complaint is filed against a physician, the medical board contacts them and requests all of the relevant records and a response from that physician within two weeks. A failure to respond results in disciplinary measures that may include loss of license and the ability to practice medicine. There are independent entities that report on how many physicians are disciplined in every state and encourages people to file complaints. They have rating systems that suggest whether or not enough complaints are filed against physicians. That is a very low threshold for dealing with complaints about physicians.
All physicians must apply for a new medical license every year. On that medical license physicians must attest to the fact that they do not have any substance use problems, medical problems that impair their ability to practice, and have not committed any crimes. They also have to attest that they are not under investigation by any hospital, clinic, professional organization or the board of medical practice. All controlled substance prescriptions are tracked by physician and patient. In the state where I work there is also an Ombudsman who is located in the Governor’s office and is charged with investigating complaints against the vulnerable adults. Vulnerable adults by definition include people with mental disorders, addictions, and developmental disabilities. An Ombudsman investigation is totally independent from the medical board.
I can’t say what happens in the UK, but patient safety is a priority in the US rather than the reputation of any doctor. With all the safeguards in place, I don’t know why anyone would post information on social media about being injured or abused by any physician without going through this process.
Since most physicians in the US are employees, that is another area of oversight. Practically all medical organizations solicit physician ratings from patients being seen and aggregate those ratings around each physician. They are used to “incentivize” physicians to get more optimal ratings. They are also used to intimidate physicians into doing what their administrators want them to do. Any significant complaint from a patient or a fellow healthcare professional would result in a physician needing to meet with an administrator. That internal employer investigation must be reported to the medical board and credentialing agencies.
In the extreme, malpractice litigation is another source of oversight but there is an admittedly a mixed agenda. Malpractice litigation occurs both in the United States and the UK, suggesting to me that with some of the extreme scenarios described in social media this litigation would be an obvious approach.
These levels of physician oversight, suggests that the complaints leveled against psychiatrists in social media have either not been brought to the responsible authorities or they don’t exist. These processes also suggest that there is no room for a “dark” present at least not without discipline or loss of license. Physicians have a fiduciary responsibility to their patients and very clear accountability. Specific responsibility is a much clearer way to approach the problem than suggesting that everyone atone for some vague injustices.
4. There are no unique psychiatrists and you don't have to be unique to do good work –
The final bit of rhetoric that I encountered was in the form of a hashtag #NotAllPsychiatrists. The discussant in this case was another psychiatrist from the UK who suggested that using that hashtag as an argument to counter the blanket condemnation of psychiatrists “gets us nowhere”. He was suggesting that psychiatrists should listen to all possible complaints and that by using this hashtag “it suggests we are interested in listening”. Unless you believe that most or all psychiatrists harm patients this is an argument based on a false premise. The hashtag itself is as rhetorical as well as the statement that all complaints should be listened to by all psychiatrists. Each psychiatrist listens to the patient sitting directly in front of them. They have responsibility to that person. The psychiatrists I know are preoccupied with not making mistakes and they generally do a good job of that. A more appropriate hashtag to counter the blanket condemnations might be #PracticallyNoPsychiatrists.
This idea is not productive in other ways. Direct observation of my colleagues suggests that we are all uniformly trained and the idea that one psychiatrist is “better” than another is a convenient illusion subject to context. I have seen more than one mistake made when a psychiatrist was blamed for something beyond their control and their colleagues were not supportive. That seems to be the dynamic operating here when discussions among colleagues suddenly become forums for complaints against psychiatrists. It is also a convenient way to just win an argument. In other words, there is no good reason for a psychiatrist to not want to listen to complaints about the profession in a conversation that started as a professional discussion about psychiatry. Case closed!
This is some of the rhetoric used against psychiatrists in social media and unfortunately much of the finger-pointing and self-flagellation is from psychiatrists themselves. I pointed out clear reasons why it is unnecessary. There are currently plenty of more functional avenues for complaints against physicians and they should be utilized.
And no psychiatrist out there should be suggesting that they have a superior position when it comes to caring for patients or endorsing blanket criticism of the field.
George Dawson, MD, DFAPA
References:
1: van Voren R. Political abuse of psychiatry--an historical overview. Schizophr Bull. 2010 Jan;36(1):33-5. doi: 10.1093/schbul/sbp119. Epub 2009 Nov 5. PubMed PMID: 19892821
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One of the qualifiers for this post is that psychiatric practice is being compared between the US and the UK. Reading literature written by psychiatrists from the UK for decades I can't imagine the practice there is much different.
Graphic Credit:
The "words have power" graphic is from Shutterstock per their standard user agreement. The artist is gerasimov_foto_174. I thought it was very appropo for this post because many of the intense critics and in many cases maligners of psychiatry have power as their predominate focus. Most psychiatrists don't see the world that way and in fact realize that in most cases we are lucky to be able to secure the most appropriate treatment for our patients.
I read this, and just have to laugh, to go on Twitter is to figuratively dive into the den of axis 2 pathology. But, you state you enjoy working with the difficult, chronic patients that are likely at least strongly comorbid Axis 2, so I guess you're comfortable in that environment. Good luck with that agenda, why I avoid Twitter or Facebook, the immediate gratification and quick-fix mentality is just so epidemic of how Society is deteriorating.
ReplyDeleteHaving fairly much avoided inpatient work for the last near ten years, until of late my last eight weeks of doing acute inpatient care has reinforced my most profound, sad realizations, that Psychiatry has become permanently addiction and characterological disorder mayhem.
I know in my heart, that many psychiatrists avoid inpatient work because they would just get extremely and utterly burnt out trying to treat people who have absolutely no interest in change until proven otherwise. I know, because I only have two more weeks, and they can't come fast enough...
And these folks who frequent inpatient units are likely the people who frequent Twitter as well, so, enjoy your population, because in the end, you'll never get through to them.
I was made to do acute care inpatient work and would still be there if I did not have a run in with the administration. Apparently my mere existence was enough to trigger significant cluster B behavior. The lack of support by many people I had worked with for years was palpable.
DeleteThe upside was that after I left - I never realized how easy it is to be an outpatient psychiatrist and even easier to work 4 days a week
C'est la vie.
If the Berners-Lee original Internet was a three star restaurant of intellectual exchange then Twitter is a Cluster B vomitorium. And Jack Dorsey is a passive aggressive habitual liar pretending to be an emo lumberjack. That Black Mirror episode called "Smithereens" perfectly captured my feelings about that debased medium. It's basically a Tavistock group where the most disturbed take over.
ReplyDeleteI gave up inpatient work thirty years ago when a judge opined that living in a cardboard box under a freeway negated grave disability and my collection rate dropped below 50% (and not on unrealistic billing).
You can't let judges get you down.
DeleteI have seen some numerous unbelievable decisions.
Who knew that stabbing someone with a knife was not dangerous behavior?
You can thank the "patient's rights" advocates as well as the insurance companies for dumbing down the definition of grave disability. When I first encountered them in LA, I was sorely tempted to send my patients to their home address to have them urinate on THEIR front porch.
DeleteDr. Allen,
DeleteAre you specifically referring to the legal geniuses at Court 95? I can tell you some bone-chilling stories.
I don't recall Court 95 specifically, but maybe.
DeleteIt's in San Fernando, and it's the LA County mental health court. You drive up the Pasadena Freeway and turn off after the 5 to get to it.
DeleteI actually met Barbra Streisand there and she was researching the movie Nuts so this is about 1987 or so. I ended up talking to her about a half an hour about how the system works. She was actually as charming in person as she was in What's Up Doc.
As in your case, it was more than that including administrators and mangled care. It wasn't mostly a negative decision, the opportunities in outpatient and forensic work simply made it a no-brainer.
ReplyDeleteTwitter a Cluster B junior college except that the lectures and classes are given by unstable freshmen who excoriate those with experience and training and who cry in the corner pretending to be victims when people who actually know what they are talking about push back. It's projective identification theater.
There is a Joe Rogan video featuring Jack Dorsey and his lawyer vs. citizen journalist Tim Cook who didn't even go to college, and Tim Cook makes a complete fool of the suits.
Jack Dorsey is what I used to call in college the grad student bullshit artist. It's all utopian pablum to impress freshman girls and he knows it, and we know it.
Jack Dorsey says Twitter is all about starting conversations. There are parameters for making conversations worthwhile and useful or therapeutic. No conversation on The View has ever been useful or productive or informative. Teenage gossip has no value even though it is a conversation. Many conversations on Twitter are people processing their demons and symbols in a nonfacilitative manner and making themselves sicker.
BS!!! "You can't let judges get you down"!? What is that dismissive comment, are you really as detached as some of your writings come across as saying?!
ReplyDeleteWe have allowed the legal system to erode the psychiatric process, and frankly, to deny or minimize that is just aiding and abetting this polarization and punitive presentation of mental health care growing at a metastatic rate!
Seeing and participating in judgments that are unbelievable does not mean we have to become so detached that we just risk going into a dissociative state!...
I had to testify at a hearing this past Thursday for a patient who most likely needs involuntary Outpatient Treatment, and I was completely abused by the defense attorney. I had to finally interrupt the hearing to turn the judge and say, I resent being treated like I'm a hostile witness, this is ridiculous!" The judge of course didn't agree, but what should have been allegedly a 20 to 30 minute hearing lasted an hour, the Medical Director who came to the hearing agreed that the cross-examination by the defense attorney was abusive, and in the end, the patient, by my request of the question being asked, admitted he didn't want to take meds, that neither the state's attorney representing the state nor his own defense Counsel had the decency to ask directly.
DeleteSo, I stand by what I wrote earlier, who gives a damn about Judges, they're just making mental health a punitive process!
"Seeing and participating in judgments that are unbelievable does not mean we have to become so detached that we just risk going into a dissociative state!"
ReplyDeleteThat is the whole point about not letting them get you down.
I have been involved in hundreds of civil commitments and you have to accept the fact that judges are not psychiatrists and that in many cases do not even seem to interpret the commitment law in a consistent or rational manner.
I will admit - it took me a while to realize this but that recognition goes a long way to preventing burnout.
The incarceration of the mentally ill is the logical conclusion of allowing insurance companies to not provide adequate treatment. State level bureaucrats who have adopted the system to essentially eliminate public beds are no better.
That is the consistent message of this blog.
It is obvious that nobody listens to me and that managed care has what appears to be unlimited influence on both sides of the aisle in Congress.
Drapetomania has nothing to do with psychiatry? Can you point me to your source for that claim? How throughly do you conduct research before blogging and tweeting?
ReplyDeletePractically ANY source except maybe Whitaker's book.
DeleteI have a better idea - point me to any source that suggests that Cartwright was a psychiatrist or that drapetomania was not an invention of the racist south.
I apologize for questioning your research methods, but I'm still scratching my head from your tweet that the chemical imbalance theory was put forward by the anti-psychiatry movement in an attempt to discredit psychiatry.
DeleteIn regards to drapetomania, you are correct that Cartwright wasn't a psychiatrist and that the disorder was an invention of the racist south - and it's fair you point that out. Nonetheless, as Jonathan Metzl points out in his book "The Protest Psychosis", "Cartwright's ideas influenced early twentieth-century medical researchers, who argued that the incidence of insanity rose dramatically in African Americans after emancipation. Such ideas suffused American psychiatry as well." The rest of the book documents how psychiatrists, through the Civil Rights era, improperly diagnosed and treated African Americans. Even recently, a Science Daily study found that African Americans are "more likely to be misdiagnosed with schizophrenia," though the author says the racial bias of doctors may be subconscious.
This isn't to say that contemporary psychiatrists like yourself must "atone" for this dark past, as you wrote about at the top of this blog post. I understand your point. You are no more responsible for past mistakes in psychiatry as anyone else is for the mistakes in their chosen profession.
Never read the work of Jonathan Metzl, but his take on Cartwright is wrong.
ReplyDeleteBut per my original post the idea that "I know you have an unconscious bias that you are unaware of" is a favorite tactic to win an argument. The corrective strategies are also discussed in the post.
Regarding the influence on 20th century medical researchers - I would like to know who they were and whether they were psychiatrists. It also seems implausible that Cartwright's ideas were influential when he was criticized at the time (see reference below which is essentially contemporary satire of his "research". I also find it implausible that anyone was documenting the incidence of "insanity" or "psychosis" in any mid 19th century population in any rigorous way. Maybe counting the number of people in an institution.
The idea that there may be a misdiagnosis of schizophrenia vs bipolar disorder in American versus British populations was researched in the mid 1970s by psychiatrists and the results of that research were disseminated to the field.
Will critique Psych Services article if the authors send me a copy. But just reading the abstract the idea that a gross screening test for depression will correct a misdiagnosis of schizophrenia is unlikely.
It seems that you are sold on the narrative that psychiatrists have a long history of racism. I don't expect you to change your mind so I will leave it at that. I am not here to change people's minds just to point out what the reality is.
1. S. B. Hunt (1855). "Dr. Cartwright on "Drapetomania"". Buffalo Medical Journal. 10: 438–442. (full text).
https://books.google.com/books?id=coBYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA438#v=onepage&q&f=false
2: Gara MA, Minsky S, Silverstein SM, Miskimen T, Strakowski SM. A Naturalistic
Study of Racial Disparities in Diagnoses at an Outpatient Behavioral Health
Clinic. Psychiatr Serv. 2019 Feb 1;70(2):130-134. doi: 10.1176/appi.ps.201800223.
Epub 2018 Dec 10. PubMed PMID: 30526340.
Hi George,
ReplyDeleteI've bulleted my responses in the hopes of making it easier for you to understand which of your points I'm responding to:
1. I'm not sure what you are referring to when you wrote that "'I know you have an unconscious bias that you are unaware of' is a favorite tactic to win an argument". Did I imply that you had an unconscious bias?
2. In regards to you wanting to know the 20th century medical researchers cited by Metzl who may have been influenced by Cartwright's ideas, here are two excerpts from "The Protest Psychosis":
"For instance, in 1913, Arrah Evarts, a psychiatrist from the Government Hospital for the Insane in Washington, D.C., wrote an article in the Psychoanalytic Review titled “Dementia Praecox in the Colored Race,” in which she described dramatic increases in the illness in “colored” patients. Evarts’s patients included a woman of “primitive character” who, upon leaving her job as an assistant cook at a Virginia plantation, “became greatly excited and beat her head against the wall” and then “sang hymns and repeated verses from the bible”; an “undisciplined” schoolteacher who went mute for three years; and a woman who believed, on the word of a faith healer, that her abdomen was occupied by snakes."
"Again, the most egregious practitioners of such an approach were the New York psychiatrists Walter Bromberg and Franck Simon, who in 1968 described a new form of what they called protest psychosis, a condition in which the rhetoric of the Black Power movement drove “Negro men” to insanity. According to Bromberg and Simon, the connection between Black Power and psychosis was neither metaphorical nor allegorical. Rather, black liberation movements literally caused delusions, hallucinations, and violent projections in black men."
3. In regards to Cartwright's ideas not being influential because he was criticized, I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that an idea that is criticized is inherently not influential? If that were the case, practically every idea that has ever been put forward would not be influential. Are there ideas that aren't criticized?
4. In regards to Metzl writing that researchers in the 20th century argued that incidences of "insanity" or "psychosis" rose after emancipation, I guess I take Metzl's word that it happened. He strikes me as a thorough researcher, academic and author.
5. I'm not simply sold on the narrative that psychiatrists have a long history of racism. I'm sold that practically every medical and professional field in the U.S. has a long history of racism. Even without doing research, I would assume psychiatry was no different. After doing research, that appears to be the case. But, like you said, that doesn't mean modern day psychiatrists are responsible for the profession's past sins.
Best,
Mike
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Delete1. Like I said it is a standard tactic for winning and argument these days even though the experimental basis is getting thinner and thinner. In the very first post you suggested my research was questionable. Walking that back a bit doesn’t mean much to me.
2. This is very non-specific as far as analysts go. I have seen patients described by analysts with primitive character and seen these exact same symptoms myself and they are not focused on any particular race. It is entirely possible that this psychoanalyst was clueless and/or knew nothing about making generalizations from observations.
I was in a liberal arts college at the time reading “Soul On Ice” by Eldridge Cleaver and Alex Haley’s “Autobiography of Malcolm X.” I never heard of either of these psychoanalysts then or in the past 35 years of practice. Suggesting that some fringe theorists represent some thread back to a Cartwright is more than a little stretch. The writings of activists in the 1970s had much more cultural impact than two “egregious” practitioners. Not just directly but also the reaction from other radical groups like the Weather Underground who at some level wanted to emulate them. Can somebody be egregious if nobody other than Metzl has heard of them and their wild idea? Is Metzl tracing this all the way back to Cartwright?
3. I am saying that Cartwright’s ideas were more than criticized they were discredited and I am not seeing much proof that they were not.
4. That is where you and I differ. I don’t take Metzl’s word for anything. If you posted his best evidence here it sounds like a lot of speculation.
5. The best literature on this is the disparities literature. Some of the best references that I have found are listed below. It takes a well-designed study to illustrate the problem and correct it and needless to say there are a lot of relevant variables.
Greene, Eddie L.Thomas, Charles R. et al. Minority Health and Disparities-Related Issues: Part Medical Clinics of North America 2005, Volume 89 , Issue 4 , xi – xii.
Greene, Eddie L.Thomas, Charles R. et al. Minority Health and Disparities-Related Issues: Part II Medical Clinics of North America 2005 , Volume 89 , Issue 5 , xi – xii.