EP: “We have seen
each other before – what brings you back?”
Me: “A few things –
the cardiologist I saw in January recommended it, I have some concerns about
the Holter results, can I expect a better result from medication changes, and
to get your opinion about ablation.”
EP: “How often do you have episodes?
Me: “This year so
far I have had three – one for 2 hours, and 2 for 1 hour each in February,
July, and August. Triggers may be anxiety
and nightmares. Exercise is not a trigger acutely but I did have an episode the
next day after I increased my pushups from 100/day to 150/day.
EP: “That is actually
pretty good considering you are 10 years out.
We generally see this as a progressive process….
Me: “ I have been
having 2-3 episodes per year for the past 10 years.”
EP: “Even so there
may be progression there.”
Me: “What about the
Holter result? I noticed there was a brief
episode of trigeminy. When this all started I had a much longer episode of bigeminy
and was advised it was a benign rhythm.
Is there a ventricular component?
Does something need to be done about that?
EP: “No this is
atrial bigeminy/trigeminy and you are right it is a benign rhythm. Your Holter shows less than 1% isolated PACs and
VPCs so there is nothing to be concerned about there and I don’t think changing
any medication would be useful.”
Me: “My primary care
doc called one of your colleagues about increasing the flecainide to 200 mg/day
and he said the arrhythmia risk increased at the higher dose.”
EP: “I just don’t
think it will do much in terms of eliminating 3 episodes per year. Are you using CPAP?”
Me: “I don’t sleep
without it – my AHI is typically less than 1.
I also my check BP twice a day in triplicate and the systolic is typically in
the 100-110 range. It always seems elevated
when I come here.”
EP: “Everybody’s BP
is higher here. Do you drink alcohol?”
Me: “No. I had a question about NSAIDS. I have gout but have not had an attack in a
long time. I know what the package insert says about NSAIDs and apixaban – can I
safely use them for a few days?”
EP: “Well I can’t tell
you it is OK to use them because it is listed as a contraindication – but you would
probably be OK for a couple of days.”
Me: “What about an
ablation? The last time you and I talked
you advised me to hold off because the technology was improving at the time.
Has it improved to the point it is safer?”
EP: “It improves
every year.” [ draws a diagram of rate
versus rhythm control and on the rhythm control arm antiarrhythmics versus
ablation]. About 70% of people respond
to ablation but in 33% of those patients it requires multiple procedures. There is a 5% complication rate across all
procedures and that includes damage to the esophagus or phrenic nerve but we
monitor to prevent that. [Another diagram to show proximity of esophagus and phrenic
nerve to the structures to be ablated]. There is also a risk of stroke but you are anticoagulated
during the procedure to prevent this. It
is done under general anesthesia. It takes about 3 hours. At the end of that time, you spend 2 hours in
recovery to monitor the catheter sites and if you are OK – you can go home.”
Me: “I have also had
two episodes where the afib converted to atrial flutter at a rate of 130 – I understand
that takes a right sided procedure in addition to the pulmonary vein isolation
on the left?”
EP: “They can both
be done at the same time [demonstrates lesion and current pathway on his drawing].”
Me: “I have seen photographs
of the radiofrequency ablations and they appear to be full thickness burns….”
EP: “We use a cryo
procedure for the pulmonary vein isolation.
Any other questions?”
Me: “On the Eliquis –
my initial concern with it was ’nuisance bleeding’ described in the package
insert but I noticed that I am bleeding a lot less than with aspirin. Is that common.”
EP: “Yes.”
Me: “Well at this
point – I guess it’s up to me to decide on the ablation. Let me think about it and get back to you.”
EP: “OK here is my direct
number. Either way let’s get back
together in about 6 months.”
That was the approximate content of the encounter. I am
used to memorizing these details and summarizing them from long and detailed
discussion in a psychiatric context. I
also compared the process with the first time I met this physician. We were both wearing masks and this was
significant and of course he worked through the entire pandemic and I bailed
out after the first 18 months. Both of those
factors seemed significant. The first
time I saw him I was probably wearing my white hospital coat because I worked
in the same hospital and would never take time off for an appointment in the building. This time, he either forgot I was a physician
or possibly had the view that psychiatrists don’t know much about medicine.
At any rate the interview seemed pressured and he was running 30 minutes late. I had advised his nurse that I thought I had
dysgeusia (altered taste) from the apixaban.
That was not passed on and I forgot to ask about it again. I also wanted
to ask about exercise and resuming speedskating now that I am retired but I
also forgot to ask that question. But every cardiologist I have asked that
question to in the past 16 years says the same thing: “Exercise as much and ask
vigorously as you want to.” I have come
to realize that is not necessarily the best advice.
The overriding goals never seem to make it into medical appointments. There always seem to be the assumption that
you address a medical problem separate from your overall life. For example, my goal is to live as long as
possible and be as active as possible. Never
touched on. With any cardiology problem
there is also the issue of cardiac neurosis – will I at some point consider
myself disabled from cardiac symptoms when I am not? Is it possible to do something
that will make my symptoms worse? It helps to have a clear answer to that
problem. The closest I ever get is the
exercise advice (that I question) – although today it seems that the episode
frequency is minor and stable and the Holter results are nothing to be
concerned about.
There was potentially some controversy in the appointment
that I could have brought up. The
progression of atrial fibrillation irrespective of frequency seemed new and may
not have been consistent with a recent New
England Journal of Medicine review.
In that review it seemed like paroxysmal atrial fibrillation was a
stable phenotype compared with persistent atrial fibrillation. On the other hand remodeling at the molecular
level potentially occurs every time there is an episode and for that reason my
goal is to do everything possible to minimize them.
Was there another reason to post this? There are a couple of reasons that I use my
own medical experiences for didactic purposes. The first is to illustrate the uncertainty in
all medical diagnosis and treatment. Psychiatry is constantly (and erroneously)
criticized for not having a discoverable lesion or testable abnormality as a cause
of most non-medical psychiatric disorders. In this case, I am talking about two
conditions (atrial fibrillation and atrial flutter) that seem to have a clear medical
cause or do they? There are several pathways (genetics, heart disease, excessive
exercise) leading to atrial fibrillation. What is the true etiology in my case? The
excessive exercise is largely based on preclinical studies in animals and observing
a higher incidence of atrial fibrillation in endurance athletes. If I opt for
an ablation – the first part of that will be an electrophysiology study to
detect the conduction problems to be ablated. It is not a specific treatment
for a lesion – it isolates the lesion or interrupts the circuit pathway. The medication is similarly non-specific. As the electrophysiologist said today: “Of
course the medication will not cure anything. I can’t say whether the ablation
will work. We can’t be certain of anything.”
Just a few weeks ago I saw a debate saying the psychiatric medications don’t
“cure” anything. Cardiology and the rest of medicine seems to be in the same
boat.
The other reason to use my own data is that I don't have to worry about consent and I don't have to disguise anything - although I have deidentified the ECG with respect to the physician and hospital.
Death was not discussed as a possible outcome and I know that it happens. Within the past few years there was a case posted in the NEJM that showed airlock in the ventricles based on and injured esophagus and air entering the heart from that pathway. There was also a celebrity who died following an ablation for atrial fibrillation. Like most procedures, people who do them a lot are probably more successful, but there are never any guarantees. Henry Marsh the British neurosurgeon has written about his complications and states that even in procedures where everything seems to go right there can be a bad outcome. Over the course of my lifetime I have experienced good and problematic surgical outcomes. It is a far cry from a coin toss - but they happen.
The phenomenology of the episodes was basically irrelevant
today. I have them correlated with nightmares, anxiety, and other stimuli
leading to increased adrenergic input.
None of the seemed relevant.
There was no discussion of sleep or how to get rid of the nightmares.
Most people may have the expectation that cardiologists don’t cover this
area. Psychiatrists do and that’s why I
am trying to figure that part out myself. On the other hand – I spend a lot of
time talking with people about their cardiac symptoms and often tell them to
call their physician immediately at the end of my session.
The nurse who got me into the room was very pleasant and professional. She went out of her way to make me feel
comfortable. Her efforts were appreciated. She was also charged with getting an ECG done
before I saw the electrophysiologist.
She did this expertly and then offered me a copy of the ECG. The electrophysiologist gave me an additional
copy! I posted a copy here (it is unremarkable) but I will add that if this had happened in a primary
care clinic within the same healthcare organization – it would have elicited
eye rolls, the statement: “Let me ask my supervisor if I can do that.”,
followed by a rejection of that request. Again this is all the same healthcare organization
presumably schooling each clinic differently in the nuances of HIPAA. There should be no reason why you can’t walk
out of the clinic with test results and I appreciate the efforts of the Cardiology
Clinic.
That is where things stand today. I am playing it by ear
and tracking my blood pressure, heart rate and rhythm, sleep apnea, nightmares,
anxiety level, neurosis, headaches, and long COVID symptoms. I have decisions
to make and will probably get a second opinion on the ablation issue as well as
where to have it done. Should it be at
my local health care organization or at a larger referral center where they do
a lot more of them?
But that is another story….
George Dawson, MD, DFAPA
References:
1: Michaud GF, Stevenson WG. Atrial Fibrillation. N Engl J Med. 2021 Jan 28;384(4):353-361. doi: 10.1056/NEJMcp2023658. PMID: 33503344.